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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: waynef(AT)provide.net
Date: 1 May 2008 2:12am
I'm not sure of the site, but if you really looked at the site, the layout was
fine. The problem is that if you only looked at the Google image search results,
it picked off the Rusty Blackbird caption and the Chipping Sparrow picture.
Wayne
On Apr 30, 2008, winerat(AT)villagecorner.com wrote:
As with everything else, it's important to consider
the source of information. Google is a pretty useful tool but ir's not hard to
turn un misleading or erroneous information. Cornell is a good source and I feel
I can trust their information.
What site was it that had such a poor arrangement of picture and
captions? I'd be interested in knowing so I can avoid it or at least read it
very carefully before accepting its pronouncements.
Sally Scheer
Clinton
MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County
----- Original Message -----
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:50
PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair
tearing
That google search produced a confusing set of links. It looks like is it
showing web pages that contain pictures and contain the words "Rusty
Blackbird", but the picture may not be of a Rusty Blackbird.
On one of the sites, there is a picture of a Rusty Blackbird just BELOW the
caption "Rusty Blackbird" , but the picture that shows up is the one just
ABOVE the caption, which is a Chipping Sparrow.
A good field guide does still have advantages over a web search. The NGS
guide shows side by side pictures of spring male, fall male, spring
female, and fall female, with no Chipping Sparrows to confuse things.
Wayne Fisher
-----Original Message-----
From: Cendra
To: birders AT umich.edu
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google images are
showing me two completely different birds when I try to learn what rusty
blackbirds look like. On http://images.google.com/images?q=rusty%20blackbirds
&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N
&tab=wi there are some that look black and rusty and then there are some
birds I would have said were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike. Would
someone point me to a reliable image of a rusty blackbird, please? I think I
may have seen some in my yard if they are the black-rust ones.
Thanks Cendra Lynn OWS, A2
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: "Cendra" <cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 12:49am
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Oh, come on! Birds don't hold still long enough to sort all that out!! I'm
still upset about the sparrows, which I thought was one species. I finally
saw one that held still long enough for me to memorize its patterns, and of
course it fits nothing in the bird book! Everything else flies into a tree
directly behind another branch, or lands in a great position for me to view
it for about one second, or is placed so I have to look directly into the
sun.
Seriously, I think some of you are making this up! And the ones of you who
get those amazing photographs must have some kind of special power that gets
the bird to hold still long enough for you to get it in focus. That one a
few days back that was taken of a wood duck through a maze of branches just
blew me away. Clearly some people on this list either have great
imaginations or special gifts.
The Muggle Birder,
Cendra Lynn
OWS, A2
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell <mailto:birdeland(AT)pasty.net> Emmons
To: Sally K Scheer <mailto:winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
And to confuse things even more there is the similiar Brewers Blackbird with
also differences in male and female and both have plumage differences in
breeding and winter! Rustys' differences being the greater of the two!
Breeding plumage Brewers and Rusty males both similiar. Most good field
guides give a reliable detailed comparison breakdown!! Rustys have yellow
eye, Male Brewers has whitish eye. Female Brewers always has dark eye. More
confusing--in migration both species intermingle! Voice difference between
the 2 species also ! Rustys breeding territory way north in Canada, Brewers
mostly a western bird but breeding occurs in Michigan mostly in the northern
parts!
Russ Emmons, St. Clair county
----- Original Message -----
From: Sally K Scheer <mailto:winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
Maybe you're seeing the male and the female, huh? Try this Cornell link for
pictures of both. There's the same kind of difference between male and
female for red-wing blackbirds too.
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Rusty_Blackbird.html
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County
----- Original Message -----
From: Cendra <mailto:cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google images are
showing me two completely different birds when I try to learn what rusty
blackbirds look like.
On http://images.google.com/images?q=rusty%20blackbirds
<http://images.google.com/images?q=rusty%20blackbirds&rls=com.microsoft:en-u
s&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi>
&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N
&tab=wi
there are some that look black and rusty and then there are some birds I
would have said were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike.
Would someone point me to a reliable image of a rusty blackbird, please? I
think I may have seen some in my yard if they are the black-rust ones.
Thanks
Cendra Lynn
OWS, A2
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Subject: [birders] OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: theduckpen(AT)att.net
Date: 1 May 2008 12:38pm
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I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent efforts to
identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely give this idea away,
knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what they look
like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree directly at their
underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use with
other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with extremely dense
foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually be transparent.
To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bird photos or
illustrations.
All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful field
guide.
--
Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: eba(AT)umich.edu
Date: 1 May 2008 9:34am
Cendra,
Haven't you heard about the "bird-hold-still" salt that you put on the
bird's tail to make it hold still while you photograph it? Perhaps you
missed the spring sale that the bird-supply shops have every spring -- that
was just a month ago. Absolutely indispensable for bird photography!
Unfortunately, having just visited Magee Marsh, I have used up my supply,
or I'd give you some. As it is I'll have to wait until next year's sales
to replenish the supply, & I'll have to take my chances with the photos
until then! ;-)
Cheers,
Eric
--On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:49 AM -0400 Cendra <cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
wrote:
>
> Oh, come on! Birds don't hold still long enough to sort all that out!!
> I'm still upset about the sparrows, which I thought was one species. I
> finally saw one that held still long enough for me to memorize its
> patterns, and of course it fits nothing in the bird book! Everything
> else flies into a tree directly behind another branch, or lands in a
> great position for me to view it for about one second, or is placed so I
> have to look directly into the sun.
>
> Seriously, I think some of you are making this up! And the ones of you
> who get those amazing photographs must have some kind of special power
> that gets the bird to hold still long enough for you to get it in focus.
> That one a few days back that was taken of a wood duck through a maze of
> branches just blew me away. Clearly some people on this list either have
> great imaginations or special gifts.
>
> The Muggle Birder,
> Cendra Lynn
> OWS, A2
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Russell Emmons
> To: Sally K Scheer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
>
>
> And to confuse things even more there is the similiar Brewers Blackbird
> with also differences in male and female and both have plumage
> differences in breeding and winter! Rustys' differences being the greater
> of the two! Breeding plumage Brewers and Rusty males both similiar. Most
> good field guides give a reliable detailed comparison breakdown!! Rustys
> have yellow eye, Male Brewers has whitish eye. Female Brewers always has
> dark eye. More confusing--in migration both species intermingle! Voice
> difference between the 2 species also ! Rustys breeding territory way
> north in Canada, Brewers mostly a western bird but breeding occurs in
> Michigan mostly in the northern parts!
>
>
> Russ Emmons, St. Clair county
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sally K Scheer
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:56 PM
> Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
>
>
> Maybe you're seeing the male and the female, huh? Try this Cornell link
> for pictures of both. There's the same kind of difference between male
> and female for red-wing blackbirds too.
>
> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Rusty_Blackbird.html
>
>
> Sally Scheer
> Clinton MI
> Bridgewater Township
> SW Washtenaw County
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cendra
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:45 PM
> Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
>
>
> I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google images are
> showing me two completely different birds when I try to learn what rusty
> blackbirds look like.
> On
> http://images.google.com/images?q=rusty%20blackbirds&rls=com.microsoft:en
> -us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
> there are some that look black and rusty and then there are some birds I
> would have said were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike.
>
> Would someone point me to a reliable image of a rusty blackbird, please?
> I think I may have seen some in my yard if they are the black-rust ones.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cendra Lynn
> OWS, A2---
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Subject: [birders] Morning Report: Waterloo SRA, Washtenaw Co., 5/1
From: "Dan Sparks-Jackson" <sparksjackson(AT)aol.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 9:38am
A quick half-hour exploration of the Waterloo SRA's Discovery Center
environs and the nearby Bog Trail yielded the following list this morning:
1 dazzling male Blackburnian Warbler
5 twitchy Palm Warblers
1 loquacious Black-throated Green Warbler
3 chanting Northern Waterthrushes
2 vocal Yellow-throated Vireos
2 pairs of scolding Blue-gray Gnatcatchers
1 singing Brown Creeper
1 wary Barred Owl
May is here!
Dan S-J
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: eba(AT)umich.edu
Date: 1 May 2008 9:40am
Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which should be
useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which shows
birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of the
body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
Eric
--On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>
> I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent
> efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely
> give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
>
> The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what they
> look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree directly
> at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
>
> As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use
> with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with extremely
> dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually be
> transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bird
> photos or illustrations.
>
> All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful
> field guide.
>
>
> --
> Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
>
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: "John Lowry" <john(AT)kingbird.org>
Date: 1 May 2008 9:58am
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This seems a little too obvious, but...
Field Guides are painstakingly produced labors of love and can be =
borrowed from a library or purchased incredibly cheaply. Along with a =
good binocular, the field guide is the only other investment needed to =
become a competent birder.
I have found great deals on discontinued field guides at Afterwords in =
Ann Arbor. For less than $10 one could probably get one of the many =
recent NGS editions. I'm a bit of a compulsive book buyer when it comes =
to bird books, so I have all of the major guides (although I've recently =
started slimming the collection down!).
Personal favorites:
Sibley: Eastern North America (the small format) - my first choice for =
all Michigan birders
Sibley Guide to Birds (big guide - my favorite, but too big to stick in =
your pocket) - best bookshelf reference field guide
NGS (aka National Geographic FIeld Guide to North American Birds, fifth =
edition) - all birders should eventually own this and Sibley
Peterson: Eastern Birds (the old standard - beautiful art and an =
American classic - should be in every library)
others I have but don't really like:
Golden Series: (I know there are fans out there!)
Kaufman (Kenn Kaufman is one of the most incredible naturalists alive, =
and super cool, but I don't care for the digitally manipulated images in =
the book, alhtough the concept is intriguing - the insect series are =
much better, I think)
Stokes: Photo based books seem to appeal to beginners, but I never =
recommend them. Bird photos can be beautiful and I have several coffee =
table books, but as ID guides they are severely limiting.
Save your hair. Get a good field guide.
Anyway, my two cents...
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sally K Scheer=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
As with everything else, it's important to consider the source of =
information. Google is a pretty useful tool but ir's not hard to turn un =
misleading or erroneous information. Cornell is a good source and I feel =
I can trust their information.=20
What site was it that had such a poor arrangement of picture and =
captions? I'd be interested in knowing so I can avoid it or at least =
read it very carefully before accepting its pronouncements.
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: waynef(AT)provide.net=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
That google search produced a confusing set of links. It looks like =
is it showing web pages that contain pictures and contain the words =
"Rusty Blackbird", but the picture may not be of a Rusty Blackbird.
On one of the sites, there is a picture of a Rusty Blackbird just =
BELOW the caption "Rusty Blackbird" , but the picture that shows up is =
the one just ABOVE the caption, which is a Chipping Sparrow.
A good field guide does still have advantages over a web search. The =
NGS guide shows side by side pictures of spring male, fall male, spring =
female, and fall female, with no Chipping Sparrows to confuse things.
Wayne Fisher
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Cendra=20
To: birders AT umich.edu=20
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:45 pm=20
Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google images =
are showing me two completely different birds when I try to learn what =
rusty blackbirds look like. On =
http://images.google.com/images?q=3Drusty%20blackbirds =
&rls=3Dcom.microsoft:en-us&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8&startIndex=3D&startPage=3D=
1&um=3D1&sa=3DN &tab=3Dwi there are some that look black and rusty and =
then there are some birds I would have said were brown sparrows. They =
look NOTHING alike. Would someone point me to a reliable image of a =
rusty blackbird, please? I think I may have seen some in my yard if they =
are the black-rust ones.=20
Thanks Cendra Lynn OWS, A2=20
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 1 May 2008 10:42am
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Cendra, Y'all;
I concur totally with John. Get the books (or=20
select a favorite), learn the glass, and get into=20
the field, as much as possible.
The books are simply guides. One has to learn=20
each bird's nuance with loads of field work. It's like any language -
one needs to immerse to get the full array of=20
skills. And like language, you may only find the biblioteca your first=
week,
but after a while you'll be using the skills with=20
an alacrity that seemed distant before.
The books are important, if only for giving one a=20
good starting point. Peterson's revolutionary field guides were the first=
to
give the field student a generalized image with=20
important nuances emphasized. Sibley's books take this original method
even further (or deeper). These guides give=20
the reader the important hints and tells of each bird (Peterson's 'A finch
dipped in raspberries' for Purple finch is a=20
favorite). Photo-based books are fun as John points out, but one rarely=
finds
a bird in exactly the light and position shown in=20
most photo guide. The generalized images provided by artwork gives the
tyro all one really needs to begin. Another book=20
I highly recommend is Sibley and Dunne's 'Hawks in Flight', which uses
both art and photos, all in black and=20
white. This book is an excellent primer for how=20
to watch birds (or any wild nature for
that matter) in the field, where conditions are=20
rarely perfect for comparison with plates in a book.
The most important thing is to hit the trail and=20
see as much as one can. I recommend leaving the book in the car or
in the backpack - refer to it only after you've=20
returned with notes (mental or otherwise). Really watch the birds and
study them. Like learning a language, eventually=20
the learning curve starts to get really steep and before you know it,
you'll have skills.
Indulgent Sidebar: I love the Golden Guides, but=20
only for sentimental reasons. There's an edition from the late 60's or
early 70's with some really nice plates that I=20
adore. The artwork places the birds in physical settings where they are
likely to be found, kind of in the Audubon=20
style. For that matter Audubon's Birds of=20
America is absolutely fascinating,
though of no practical use in the field. I have=20
Audubon's Bobolink at my desk, portrayed with it's head back and beak
open, and from my office I can imagine its=20
impossible song (though they rarely sing while perched... Audubon's method=
is
a whole other story). For some reason I just=20
haven't found the love for the NGS guides, though they are spectacular
and one can go anywhere from Key West to Nome with this single book.
Go, go out, and see!
DBS Chelsea MI
At 09:58 AM 5/1/2008, John Lowry wrote:
>=EF=BB=BF
>This seems a little too obvious, but...
>
> Field Guides are painstakingly produced labors=20
> of love and can be borrowed from a library or=20
> purchased incredibly cheaply. Along with a=20
> good binocular, the field guide is the only=20
> other investment needed to become a competent birder.
>
>I have found great deals on discontinued field=20
>guides at Afterwords in Ann Arbor. For less=20
>than $10 one could probably get one of the many=20
>recent NGS editions. I'm a bit of a compulsive=20
>book buyer when it comes to bird books, so I=20
>have all of the major guides (although I've=20
>recently started slimming the collection down!).
>
>Personal favorites:
>
>Sibley: Eastern North America (the small=20
>format) - my first choice for all Michigan birders
>Sibley Guide to Birds (big guide - my favorite,=20
>but too big to stick in your pocket) - best bookshelf reference field guide
>NGS (aka National Geographic FIeld Guide to=20
>North American Birds, fifth edition) - all=20
>birders should eventually own this and Sibley
>Peterson: Eastern Birds (the old standard -=20
>beautiful art and an American classic - should be in every library)
>
>others I have but don't really like:
>
>Golden Series: (I know there are fans out there!)
>Kaufman (Kenn Kaufman is one of the most=20
>incredible naturalists alive, and super cool,=20
>but I don't care for the digitally manipulated=20
>images in the book, alhtough the concept is=20
>intriguing - the insect series are much better, I think)
>Stokes: Photo based books seem to appeal to=20
>beginners, but I never recommend them. Bird=20
>photos can be beautiful and I have several=20
>coffee table books, but as ID guides they are severely limiting.
>
>Save your hair. Get a good field guide.
>
>Anyway, my two cents...
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>Sally K Scheer
>To: <mailto:birders(AT)umich.edu>birders(AT)umich.edu
>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:20 PM
>Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
>
>As with everything else, it's important to=20
>consider the source of information. Google is a=20
>pretty useful tool but ir's not hard to turn un=20
>misleading or erroneous information. Cornell is=20
>a good source and I feel I can trust their information.
>
>What site was it that had such a poor=20
>arrangement of picture and captions? I'd be=20
>interested in knowing so I can avoid it or at=20
>least read it very carefully before accepting its pronouncements.
>
>
>Sally Scheer
>Clinton MI
>Bridgewater Township
>SW Washtenaw County
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:waynef(AT)provide.net>waynef(AT)provide.net
>To: <mailto:birders(AT)umich.edu>birders(AT)umich.edu
>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:50 PM
>Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
>
>That google search produced a confusing set of=20
>links. It looks like is it showing web pages=20
>that contain pictures and contain the words=20
>"Rusty Blackbird", but the picture may not be of a Rusty Blackbird.
>
>
>
>On one of the sites, there is a picture of a=20
>Rusty Blackbird just BELOW the caption "Rusty=20
>Blackbird" , but the picture that shows up is=20
>the one just ABOVE the caption, which is a Chipping Sparrow.
>
>
>
>A good field guide does still have advantages=20
>over a web search. The NGS guide shows side by=20
>side pictures of spring male, fall male, spring=20
>female, and fall female, with no Chipping Sparrows to confuse things.
>
>
>
>Wayne Fisher
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Cendra
>
>To: birders AT umich.edu
>
>Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:45 pm
>
>Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
>
>
>
>I really am ready to scream and tear it out=20
>because google images are showing me two=20
>completely different birds when I try to learn=20
>what rusty blackbirds look like. On=20
>http://images.google.com/images?q=3Drusty%20blackbirds=20
>&rls=3Dcom.microsoft:en-us&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8&startIndex=3D&startPage=3D=
1&um=3D1&sa=3DN=20
>&tab=3Dwi there are some that look black and rusty=20
>and then there are some birds I would have said=20
>were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike.=20
>Would someone point me to a reliable image of a=20
>rusty blackbird, please? I think I may have seen=20
>some in my yard if they are the black-rust ones.
>
>
>
>Thanks Cendra Lynn OWS, A2
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:09am
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Cendra,
As you'll discover as you get more into our shared obsession, birding =
requires luck (50%), patience (25%), skill (15%), and equipment (10%).
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(AT)comcast.net
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From: Cendra=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:49 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
Oh, come on! Birds don't hold still long enough to sort all that =
out!! I'm still upset about the sparrows, which I thought was one =
species. I finally saw one that held still long enough for me to =
memorize its patterns, and of course it fits nothing in the bird book! =
Everything else flies into a tree directly behind another branch, or =
lands in a great position for me to view it for about one second, or is =
placed so I have to look directly into the sun.
Seriously, I think some of you are making this up! And the ones of =
you who get those amazing photographs must have some kind of special =
power that gets the bird to hold still long enough for you to get it in =
focus. That one a few days back that was taken of a wood duck through a =
maze of branches just blew me away. Clearly some people on this list =
either have great imaginations or special gifts.
The Muggle Birder,
Cendra Lynn
OWS, A2
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Russell Emmons=20
To: Sally K Scheer=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
And to confuse things even more there is the similiar Brewers =
Blackbird with also differences in male and female and both have plumage =
differences in breeding and winter! Rustys' differences being the =
greater of the two! Breeding plumage Brewers and Rusty males both =
similiar. Most good field guides give a reliable detailed comparison =
breakdown!! Rustys have yellow eye, Male Brewers has whitish eye. =
Female Brewers always has dark eye. More confusing--in migration both =
species intermingle! Voice difference between the 2 species also ! =
Rustys breeding territory way north in Canada, Brewers mostly a western =
bird but breeding occurs in Michigan mostly in the northern parts!
Russ Emmons, St. Clair county
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sally K Scheer=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
Maybe you're seeing the male and the female, huh? Try this Cornell =
link for pictures of both. There's the same kind of difference between =
male and female for red-wing blackbirds too.
=
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Rusty_Blackbird.html=
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Cendra=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google =
images are showing me two completely different birds when I try to learn =
what rusty blackbirds look like.
On =
http://images.google.com/images?q=3Drusty%20blackbirds&rls=3Dcom.microsof=
t:en-us&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8&startIndex=3D&startPage=3D1&um=3D1&sa=3DN&t=
ab=3Dwi
there are some that look black and rusty and then there are some =
birds I would have said were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike.
Would someone point me to a reliable image of a rusty blackbird, =
please? I think I may have seen some in my yard if they are the =
black-rust ones.
Thanks
Cendra Lynn
OWS, A2
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:16am
Bob and Eric,
This has already been partly implemented, in the excellent "Warblers" field
guide (Peterson series) where the undertails of all the wood warblers are
portrayed in color.
Allen T. Chartier
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From: <eba(AT)umich.edu>
To: <birders(AT)umich.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which should
> be useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which
> shows birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back
> of the body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>
> Eric
>
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent
>> efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely
>> give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
>>
>> The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what they
>> look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree directly
>> at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
>>
>> As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use
>> with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with extremely
>> dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually be
>> transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bird
>> photos or illustrations.
>>
>> All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful
>> field guide.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
>> Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
>>
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Subject: [birders] Re: Greater Yellowlegs in Oakland County
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:28am
Birders,
This morning a single Greater Yellowlegs was still present at Robert Long
Park (a new county bird for me), along with a few other interesting birds
including: two Caspian Terns, several Ring-necked Ducks, several each of
Great Egret, Great Blue and Black-crowned Night-Heron, good numbers of Palm
and Yellow-rumped Warblers, a couple Nashville Warblers, single Warbling
Vireo, Eastern Phoebe, and Eastern Kingbird, and a flyover American Pipit.
Allen T. Chartier
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: [birders] Greater Yellowlegs in Oakland County
> There were three birds this afternoon at the Robert
> Long Park in Commerce Township. They were wading at
> the shoreline of the little "peninsula" with the
> picnic pavilion just on the right as one enters the
> park from the parking lot. The only other birds
> perhaps worth mentioning were a Kingfisher and my
> first Palm Warbler of the year.
>
> The park is on the north side of 14 Mile Road
> immediately west of the M-5 quasi-freeway.
>
> Joseph E. Faggan
> Beverly Hills, Michigan
> jfaggan(AT)yahoo.com
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:31am
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Yay, Bob! Another wonderful idea. Any takers for making this book? =
Perhaps all we need are the detachable acetate pages, huh?
Sally Scheer
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To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: [birders] OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent =
efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely =
give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what =
they look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree =
directly at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for =
use with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with =
extremely dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would =
actually be transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this =
page over bird photos or illustrations.
All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful =
field guide.
--
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Subject: [birders] White-crowned sparrows & junco
From: eba(AT)umich.edu
Date: 1 May 2008 11:45am
The white-crowned visitor continued to frequent my feeder this morning, and
has been joined by a second one -- at least, this is the first time I've
seen two at once this year. A dark-eyed junco also has been seen off & on
over the past week, including this morning.
Eric Arnold
Ann Arbor
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: Nathan Crawford <racerx104(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:57am
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A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. You kno=
w how they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital books. We=
ll with a digital book you could easily call up tons of views of a bird, pl=
umages, first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's reference guide =
to Birds of N. America, but this would not be a brick in your back pack! Th=
ey would have to stream line looking up of the bird. But I'm sure they coul=
d with a small amount of tinkering. Be really nice if it was touch interfac=
e like the iphone. Plus if it had removeable memory cards in order to get =
other parts of the world, you just get a memory card for that part of the w=
orld.=20
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>=20
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which should =
be=20
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which shows=
=20
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of the=
=20
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>=20
> Eric
>=20
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what th=
ey
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree direct=
ly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with extreme=
ly
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually =
be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bir=
d
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
> > ---
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Subject: [birders] warblers of phsga
From: "Drew Malburg" <dmalburg(AT)gmail.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:56am
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This morning I walked the black river trail of the Port Huron SGA. I found a
Nashville warbler (not singing) in a bush a few hundred yards from the
road. Then found a Blue-Winged warbler (singing) in a tree a hundred feet
past that. Then north of M-136 there were singing Black and White warblers
and a singing Pine warbler. There were also a few shorebirds zipping down
the river but I'm not very good with shorebirds and I didn't get a very good
look.
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 12:03pm
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Nathan,
The National Geographic field guide has been on the PDA for the last =
couple of years, which also includes vocalizations. I know, because I =
worked on it, and I find it very useful in the field when teaching my =
birding class. It isn't cheap, and some PDAs have chronic battery =
problems, but the program chip (mini SD card) does also work in some =
phones.
Check out Handheld Birds: http://www.handheldbirds.com/
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(AT)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. =
You know how they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital =
books. Well with a digital book you could easily call up tons of views =
of a bird, plumages, first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's =
reference guide to Birds of N. America, but this would not be a brick in =
your back pack! They would have to stream line looking up of the bird. =
But I'm sure they could with a small amount of tinkering. Be really nice =
if it was touch interface like the iphone. Plus if it had removeable =
memory cards in order to get other parts of the world, you just get a =
memory card for that part of the world.=20
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> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>=20
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which =
should be=20
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which =
shows=20
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of =
the=20
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>=20
> Eric
>=20
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my =
recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I =
freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on =
it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: =
what they
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree =
directly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page =
for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with =
extremely
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would =
actually be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page =
over bird
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very =
useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
> > ---
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Subject: [birders] Dearborn birds
From: Julie Craves <jcraves(AT)umd.umich.edu>
Date: 1 May 2008 12:17pm
A nice influx of migrants today. New migrants were Tennessee Warbler and
Orange-crowned Warbler. There were good numbers of Yellow-rumped
Warblers; handfuls of Palm, Yellow, Chestnut-sided, and Black-throated
Green Warblers; and a smattering of Nashville and Black-and-White
Warblers, Common Yellowthroat, and Northern Waterthrush. White-crowned
Sparrows were around, too, although the first was in my yard yesterday.
--
Julie A. Craves
Rouge River Bird Observatory
University of Michigan-Dearborn
http://www.rrbo.org
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 12:53pm
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You are beginning development of that, aren't you?? Add to the wish list =
unlimited battery life so you don't constantly forget to recharge them =
and don't run out of power just as you've found the right entry and a =
search facility that really works with minimal input and speed that's as =
fast as a bird and a price that everyone can really afford, not just the =
really comfortable among us and you've got something.
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Nathan Crawford=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. =
You know how they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital =
books. Well with a digital book you could easily call up tons of views =
of a bird, plumages, first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's =
reference guide to Birds of N. America, but this would not be a brick in =
your back pack! They would have to stream line looking up of the bird. =
But I'm sure they could with a small amount of tinkering. Be really nice =
if it was touch interface like the iphone. Plus if it had removeable =
memory cards in order to get other parts of the world, you just get a =
memory card for that part of the world.=20
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> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>=20
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which =
should be=20
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which =
shows=20
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of =
the=20
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>=20
> Eric
>=20
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my =
recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I =
freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on =
it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: =
what they
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree =
directly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page =
for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with =
extremely
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would =
actually be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page =
over bird
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very =
useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
> > ---
> > * birders FAQ - =
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 1:01pm
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Is something like this also available for laptops? I don't PDA and my =
cellphone isn't the fancy one that can use this, but my laptop goes with =
me most everywhere I travel.
Sally K Scheer <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Village Corner
601 S Forest Ave
Ann Arbor MI 48104
vx: 734.995.1818
fx: 734.995.1826
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Allen T. Chartier=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
Nathan,
The National Geographic field guide has been on the PDA for the last =
couple of years, which also includes vocalizations. I know, because I =
worked on it, and I find it very useful in the field when teaching my =
birding class. It isn't cheap, and some PDAs have chronic battery =
problems, but the program chip (mini SD card) does also work in some =
phones.
Check out Handheld Birds: http://www.handheldbirds.com/
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(AT)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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From: Nathan Crawford=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. =
You know how they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital =
books. Well with a digital book you could easily call up tons of views =
of a bird, plumages, first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's =
reference guide to Birds of N. America, but this would not be a brick in =
your back pack! They would have to stream line looking up of the bird. =
But I'm sure they could with a small amount of tinkering. Be really nice =
if it was touch interface like the iphone. Plus if it had removeable =
memory cards in order to get other parts of the world, you just get a =
memory card for that part of the world.=20
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> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>=20
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which =
should be=20
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which =
shows=20
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back =
of the=20
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>=20
> Eric
>=20
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net =
wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my =
recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I =
freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on =
it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: =
what they
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree =
directly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page =
for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with =
extremely
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would =
actually be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page =
over bird
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very =
useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
> > ---
> > * birders FAQ - =
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: Keith Miller <keithmiller_2000(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 10:07am
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If your going to do that then just integrate it with the camera and add a visual
recognition code so you don't have to search. Just point, click and the
identification shows on the screen. (I work with computers all day, can you
tell?)
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From: Sally K Scheer <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:53:42 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
You are beginning development of that, aren't you?? Add to the wish list
unlimited battery life so you don't constantly forget to recharge them and don't
run out of power just as you've found the right entry and a search facility
that really works with minimal input and speed that's as fast as a bird and a
price that everyone can really afford, not just the really comfortable among us
and you've got something.
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County
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From: Nathan Crawford
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. You know how
they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital books. Well with a
digital book you could easily call up tons of views of a bird, plumages,
first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's reference guide to Birds of
N. America, but this would not be a brick in your back pack! They would have to
stream line looking up of the bird. But I'm sure they could with a small amount
of tinkering. Be really nice if it was touch interface like the iphone. Plus if
it had removeable memory cards in order to get other parts of the world, you
just get a memory card for that part of the world.
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which should be
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which shows
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of the
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>
> Eric
>
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what they
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree directly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with extremely
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bird
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
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Subject: [birders] Hospital Peregrine
From: "Mag Tait" <mtait(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 1 May 2008 1:14pm
I had great views of the Falcon flying around and settling on the far exit
to the UMHS Taubman Center parking garage at lunchtime.
Mag
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Subject: [birders] Indigo Buntings
From: mszedenits <mszedenits(AT)gmail.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 1:23pm
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I saw a pair of Indigo Buntings this morning. Such lovely birds.
Margaret Szedenits
Prospect near Ford
Superior Township, Wastenaw County
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
From: richard.e.chase(AT)comcast.net
Date: 1 May 2008 6:27pm
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Sad to say, Afterwords has been gone for quite some time.
On the other hand, the Friends of the Ann Arbor District Library operate a
bookshop downstairs in the downtown library (at Fifth and William) that is open
on weekends. (See http://faadl.org/bookshop.html for details.) One can usually
find used field guides there for a couple of dollars. Remainder books from
outdated field guide editions can often be found at Borders or Barnes and Noble.
Dick Chase
Ann Arbor
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From: "John Lowry" <john(AT)kingbird.org>
This seems a little too obvious, but...
Field Guides are painstakingly produced labors of love and can be borrowed from
a library or purchased incredibly cheaply. Along with a good binocular, the
field guide is the only other investment needed to become a competent birder.
I have found great deals on discontinued field guides at Afterwords in Ann
Arbor. For less than $10 one could probably get one of the many recent NGS
editions. I'm a bit of a compulsive book buyer when it comes to bird books, so
I have all of the major guides (although I've recently started slimming the
collection down!).
Personal favorites:
Sibley: Eastern North America (the small format) - my first choice for all
Michigan birders
Sibley Guide to Birds (big guide - my favorite, but too big to stick in your
pocket) - best bookshelf reference field guide
NGS (aka National Geographic FIeld Guide to North American Birds, fifth edition)
- all birders should eventually own this and Sibley
Peterson: Eastern Birds (the old standard - beautiful art and an American
classic - should be in every library)
others I have but don't really like:
Golden Series: (I know there are fans out there!)
Kaufman (Kenn Kaufman is one of the most incredible naturalists alive, and super
cool, but I don't care for the digitally manipulated images in the book,
alhtough the concept is intriguing - the insect series are much better, I think)
Stokes: Photo based books seem to appeal to beginners, but I never recommend
them. Bird photos can be beautiful and I have several coffee table books, but
as ID guides they are severely limiting.
Save your hair. Get a good field guide.
Anyway, my two cents...
----- Original Message -----
From: Sally K Scheer
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
As with everything else, it's important to consider the source of information.
Google is a pretty useful tool but ir's not hard to turn un misleading or
erroneous information. Cornell is a good source and I feel I can trust their
information.
What site was it that had such a poor arrangement of picture and captions? I'd
be interested in knowing so I can avoid it or at least read it very carefully
before accepting its pronouncements.
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County
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From: waynef(AT)provide.net
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: [birders] Re: FW: hair tearing
That google search produced a confusing set of links. It looks like is it
showing web pages that contain pictures and contain the words "Rusty Blackbird",
but the picture may not be of a Rusty Blackbird.
On one of the sites, there is a picture of a Rusty Blackbird just BELOW the
caption "Rusty Blackbird" , but the picture that shows up is the one just ABOVE
the caption, which is a Chipping Sparrow.
A good field guide does still have advantages over a web search. The NGS guide
shows side by side pictures of spring male, fall male, spring female, and fall
female, with no Chipping Sparrows to confuse things.
Wayne Fisher
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From: Cendra
To: birders AT umich.edu
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: [birders] FW: hair tearing
I really am ready to scream and tear it out because google images are showing me
two completely different birds when I try to learn what rusty blackbirds look
like. On http://images.google.com/images?q=rusty%20blackbirds
&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N
&tab=wi there are some that look black and rusty and then there are some birds I
would have said were brown sparrows. They look NOTHING alike. Would someone
point me to a reliable image of a rusty blackbird, please? I think I may have
seen some in my yard if they are the black-rust ones.
Thanks Cendra Lynn OWS, A2
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Subject: [birders] FW: Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Cendra" <cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
Date: 1 May 2008 2:41pm
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Heck! Let's make it wifi. That way you can discuss with other birders on
line whether the plumed purple eyed SE MI vireo sometimes has orange feet or
is this a sign of pollution.
My friend who's a honcho at the National Federation of the Blind says Kurt
Weil has created a thingie that can dowload and store about 8 gigs of audio
books, magazines, newspapers. It's about the size of a pencil protecter
with pencils inside, so fits pockets and purses easily. Right now it's not
wireless, but I'm sure that's on the way.
Cendra Lynn
OWS, A2
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From: Nathan Crawford [mailto:racerx104(AT)hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
A million dollar field guide would be one that is digital. Ala PDA. You know
how they have those Amazon.com digital books or the B&N digital books. Well
with a digital book you could easily call up tons of views of a bird,
plumages, first-year, second-year. Basically like a Sibley's reference guide
to Birds of N. America, but this would not be a brick in your back pack!
They would have to stream line looking up of the bird. But I'm sure they
could with a small amount of tinkering. Be really nice if it was touch
interface like the iphone. Plus if it had removeable memory cards in order
to get other parts of the world, you just get a memory card for that part of
the world.
_____
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:23 -0400
> From: eba(AT)umich.edu
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
>
> Great idea, Bob! I've got tons of pictures of birds' butts which should be
> useful for the guide. Always thought there should be a guide which shows
> birds from the rear. Also one which gives a side-view of the back of the
> body protruding out from behind a branch or tree trunk.
>
> Eric
>
> --On Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:38 PM +0000 theduckpen(AT)att.net wrote:
>
> >
> > I've got a great idea for a field guide, based on some of my recent
> > efforts to identify birds. Since ideas can't be copyrighted, I freely
> > give this idea away, knowing that someone will make a fortune on it.
> >
> > The idea is for a field guide that only has two views of birds: what
they
> > look like flying away, and how they look when you peer up a tree
directly
> > at their underside. These are the views I get of most birds.
> >
> > As a bonus, the guide would come with a detachable acetate page for use
> > with other field guides. The acetate page would be printed with
extremely
> > dense foliage so that only about 15 percent of the page would actually
be
> > transparent. To attempt to identify your bird, place this page over bird
> > photos or illustrations.
> >
> > All I ask is that my name appear in the dedication of this very useful
> > field guide.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Tarte, author of "Fowl Weather"
> > Info and photos at: www.bobtarte.com
> >
> > ---
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Subject: [birders] Auburn Hills Birds for Lunch
From: Ed Lewandowski <scotchman12year(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 11:45am
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Hello Birders, Wed lunch
Out for short hikes a few birds to add.
Hawk Woods on Bald Mountain Rd.
Nashville Warbler
Blue-Winged Warbler- Marsh Boardwalk and Woodland Trail
Yellow-Rumped Warbler
Oakland Tech Park
Eastern Kingbird- haven't heard postings for this one yet- end of Deepwood
2 Green Wing Teals in the pond on Pond Run off Cross Creek Parkway
Happy Birding
Ed Lewandowski
Auburn Hills
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Million-Dollar Field Guide Idea
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 1 May 2008 1:49pm
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Well, you guys just start collaborating and the rest of us will kibitz =
and criticize and among all of us a new system to satisfy all of us will =
be developed, right? I'm at the computer all day every day too. Maybe =
one of those hair thin or molecule computer chip
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