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Subject: Yard
From: Herschel Raney <herschel.raney(AT)CONWAYCORP.NET>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 7:18am
Three adult Little Blue Herons just flew by outside my window. Not an
expected yardbird, but I will take it anyway. Probably headed for the
river which is several miles to the west.
Herschel Raney
Conway AR
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Subject: Fw: The Climate Security Act is vitally important/even if
big oil says not to worry
From: Cheryle Sytsma <shalom(AT)CYBERBACK.COM>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 7:35am
Jack...
I believe I, for one, would like to see the facts regarding this film,
"Rather than go into a long refutation of the supposed scientific facts in
this propaganda film"
Facts, proven facts: .... attack the facts, not the people, please!
cheryle
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack and Pam" <jackstewart_us(AT)YAHOO.COM>
> To: <ARBIRD-L(AT)LISTSERV.UARK.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: The Climate Security Act is vitally important/even if big oil
> says not to worry
>
>
>>I have reviewed the "documentary" posted by Ed. Rather than go into a
>>long refutation of the supposed scientific facts in this propaganda film,
>>let me give you two examples of the scientists we are dealing with in the
>>program
>>
>> Dr. David Legates is supported by the National Center for Policy Analysis
>> (NCPA), the Comptetitive Enterprise Institute, and the Heartland
>> Institute.
>> All three of these groups are heavily funded by Exxon-Mobile. (see
>>
>> Legates writings are mostly published by NCPA and are not peer reviewed.
>> Legates did publish an article on why polar bears are not threatened by
>> climate change. The information in this paper has been widely
>> discredited (In contrast information in the IPCC reports were all peer
>> reviewed).
>>
>> Another scientist in the program is John Christy. In addition to being
>> supported by the same Exxon-Mobile front organizations, he has recently
>> changed his tune. He has acknowledged that global warming is real and
>> that the human contribution is significant. BUT he now says climate
>> change will have BENEFICIAL EFFECTS ON THE PLANET!
>>
>> There is much more, but I doubt you'd want to read it all.
>>
>> I guess for people who want to believe that there really are two sides in
>> the SCIENTIFIC climate debate, nothing will change their minds. For the
>> rest of the public, it is easy to understand why there is confusion. You
>> are being confused on purpose.
>>
>> There ARE two sides BUT on one side is science and on the other side are
>> energy companies who want to hang on to their profits. Who do you trust?
>>
>> Finally, even if climate change isn't as serious as feared, we have got
>> to get off our dependence on fossil fuels. The search for the last drops
>> of oil will wreck havoc with natural environments.
>>
>> Jack Stewart
>> Newton County
>> on the Buffalo National River
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: Re: My last post on climate- for a few months at least
From: Jack and Pam <jackstewart_us(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 10:49am
Cheryle,
I will send you, off-list, two examples of the poor science in the documentary.
The facts are that these people are backed by big oil and their reports are not
peer-reviewed. This should be enough to convince us that they should not taken
seriously.
If anyone else is interested in what I send to Cheryle just let me know and I'd
be glad to share it.
“I wonder what the Maori who killed the last moa said. Perhaps the polynesian
equivalent of ‘Your ecological models are untested, so conservation measures
would be premature’? No, he probably just said ‘Jobs not birds’ as he
delivered the last blow.”
Jared Diamond
This will be my last posting on climate change for a time since it is doubtful
that we can do much in this area to save habitat for birds and people until
after the distraction of the election.
Jack Stewart
Newton County
on the Buffalo National River
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Cheryle Sytsma <shalom(AT)CYBERBACK.COM> wrote:
> From: Cheryle Sytsma <shalom(AT)CYBERBACK.COM>
> Subject: Fw: The Climate Security Act is vitally important/even if big oil
says not to worry
> To: ARBIRD-L(AT)LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 7:36 AM
> Jack...
> I believe I, for one, would like to see the facts regarding
> this film,
> "Rather than go into a long refutation of the
> supposed scientific facts in
> this propaganda film"
>
> Facts, proven facts: .... attack the facts, not the
> people, please!
>
> cheryle
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack and Pam"
> <jackstewart_us(AT)YAHOO.COM>
> > To: <ARBIRD-L(AT)LISTSERV.UARK.EDU>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: The Climate Security Act is vitally
> important/even if big oil
> > says not to worry
> >
> >
> >>I have reviewed the "documentary" posted
> by Ed. Rather than go into a
> >>long refutation of the supposed scientific facts in
> this propaganda film,
> >>let me give you two examples of the scientists we
> are dealing with in the
> >>program
> >>
> >> Dr. David Legates is supported by the National
> Center for Policy Analysis
> >> (NCPA), the Comptetitive Enterprise Institute, and
> the Heartland
> >> Institute.
> >> All three of these groups are heavily funded by
> Exxon-Mobile. (see
> >>
> >> Legates writings are mostly published by NCPA and
> are not peer reviewed.
> >> Legates did publish an article on why polar bears
> are not threatened by
> >> climate change. The information in this paper has
> been widely
> >> discredited (In contrast information in the IPCC
> reports were all peer
> >> reviewed).
> >>
> >> Another scientist in the program is John Christy.
> In addition to being
> >> supported by the same Exxon-Mobile front
> organizations, he has recently
> >> changed his tune. He has acknowledged that global
> warming is real and
> >> that the human contribution is significant. BUT
> he now says climate
> >> change will have BENEFICIAL EFFECTS ON THE PLANET!
> >>
> >> There is much more, but I doubt you'd want to
> read it all.
> >>
> >> I guess for people who want to believe that there
> really are two sides in
> >> the SCIENTIFIC climate debate, nothing will change
> their minds. For the
> >> rest of the public, it is easy to understand why
> there is confusion. You
> >> are being confused on purpose.
> >>
> >> There ARE two sides BUT on one side is science and
> on the other side are
> >> energy companies who want to hang on to their
> profits. Who do you trust?
> >>
> >> Finally, even if climate change isn't as
> serious as feared, we have got
> >> to get off our dependence on fossil fuels. The
> search for the last drops
> >> of oil will wreck havoc with natural environments.
> >>
> >> Jack Stewart
> >> Newton County
> >> on the Buffalo National River
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Subject: Re: Please help me ID this bird!
From: Joyce Hartmann <hart(AT)ARTELCO.COM>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 12:40pm
It's saying its own name: "Bob White"...quail...we hear that wonderful
sound, too, this year, not always around...Joyce Hartmann, Clinton
-----Original Message-----
From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List
[mailto:ARBIRD-L(AT)LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Velma Wiley
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:26 PM
To: ARBIRD-L(AT)LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Please help me ID this bird!
I heard this bird here at my house somewhere in the trees. It was 3:43 =
p.m., June 8, 2008. I have NO idea what it looks like. I heard it, and =
pulled out my cell phone to record it "talking."
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Fw: The Climate Security Act is vitally important/even
if big oil says not to worry
From: "George R. Hoelzeman" <uiogd(AT)ARKANSAS.NET>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 2:48pm
The problem with "facts" in films or literature which is largely propoganda, is
that it is virtually impossible to refute fiction. Since the "writings" of the
two
individuals named in the prior critique have never submitted their "research" to
peer reviewed journals, there is not much one can do with them. One can
only point out the lack of credibility on the part of the "scientists" and leave
it at that.
Also, "facts" like truth, are remarkably maleable in the hands of propogandists.
Such "facts" evolve into their own "truth" which spins off its own literature,
birthing new claims based on the original spurious information ultimately
representing "truths" that the devotee can point to in support of the original
position.
In the end, like conspiracy theories, propoganda is virtually impossible to
oppose because of the quasi-religious attachment held by its devotees. Thus, if
the protagonist of the propoganda is not credible, their "findings" need not be
considered.
Authentic scientists use various methods to check, recheck, question, recheck,
verify and review all data. If the scientist is reputable, one can examine
their writings with confidence. Myself, I'd rather read something from someone
reputable and respected rather than some opinionated polemicist.
Thusfar, the IPCC material seems most reliable.
George (n. Conway Co. not a scientist and unable to play one on TV)
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:36:29 -0500, Cheryle Sytsma wrote:
>Jack...
>I believe I, for one, would like to see the facts regarding this film,
> "Rather than go into a long refutation of the supposed scientific facts in
> this propaganda film"
> Facts, proven facts: .... attack the facts, not the people, please!
> cheryle
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Subject: Fw: IP Land
From: Katherine Radomski <k_radomski(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 3:06pm
I forwarded your string to Joe Fox with TNC, and this is his response regarding
who owns what timberland in AR.
Hope this is helpful.
Kathy Radomski
DeWitt
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Joe Fox <jfox(AT)TNC.ORG>
To: Katherine Radomski <k_radomski(AT)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 2:03:59 PM
Subject: RE: IP Land
IP no longer owns any timberland in Arkansas or hardly anywhere else in the US.
IP made a series of sales over a few years. Plum Creek did buy some of the IP
lands, but not a large percentage. The vast majority went to two companies
TimberStar SW and Resource Management Services. Both are know as "TIMO"
managers. TIMO=Timberland Investment Management Organization It is run like a
mutual fund for timberland. TimberStar has already sold all of its holdings in
Arkansas to Hancock Insurance for a large profit. TNC bought about 8,000 acres
two years ago from IP and still owns about half of that. The balance went or is
going to state agencies like ANHC and AFC. IP is not a player in the forests
of Arkansas. Plum Creek is the largest private landowner in the state.
Thanks,
Joe
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Subject: Re: Fw: IP Land
From: Mel White <lrbobwhite(AT)SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 3:19pm
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A friend of mine in Maine once told me some stories about Plum Creek's
activities there. Plum Creek is the largest landowner in that state.
For interesting reading, go to Google and search for "Plum Creek" Maine
forest. Later also maybe add lynx and bald eagle.
Mel White
Little Rock
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Subject: Re: Kettle of Mississippi Kites part 2
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ross_Everett?= <reverett(AT)NORTHLITTLEROCK.AR.GOV>
Date: 9 Jun 2008 9:36pm
Traveling down Colonel Maynard rd. just outside of Scott Ar. today I
counted 39 Mississippi Kites swooping and swirling in one particular area.
The activity seemed to be centered over a pecan orchard about a mile south
of Hwy 165. This is the first time I have seen this many together.
Ross Everett
Ward/NLR
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